tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post4697238625343495613..comments2024-01-04T04:31:00.481-05:00Comments on Mixed Race America: Are Jewish people a race?Jenniferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13261371053113519712noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-52263087740789810562011-10-19T07:41:53.116-04:002011-10-19T07:41:53.116-04:00Richard Quan,
Thanks for your question about links...Richard Quan,<br />Thanks for your question about links to mixed heritage people--I'm not sure if you looked at some of the links on the right side of this blog--that's the first place to start--and if I think of others, I'll let you know. I'll be doing an overhaul of the blog this weekend.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13261371053113519712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-55461956276043968012011-10-19T07:40:46.457-04:002011-10-19T07:40:46.457-04:00Thanks, everyone, for your very thought provoking ...Thanks, everyone, for your very thought provoking comments. I know that there is a lot of food for thought here, which is one reason I didn't decide to chime in with a response too soon.<br /><br />I think the only thing I'll say is that I do think we have a social amnesia about historical events like The Holocaust and the fact that anti-semitism is alive and well--it hasn't gone away, it's just mutated. That's the thing about forms of oppression and hatred--they often don't disappear (at least not overnight) they have an insidious flexibility to change into other forms--and so we may not be seeing anti-semitism mark itself so blatantly through institutional forms--but prejudice against Jewish people is still out there. So maybe it's not so important that we answer the question about Jewish people being a race (I was only ever being tongue-in-cheek/provocative about that title anyway)--it is, as one commenter said, important to ask whether Jewish people still feel targeted because of their Jewishness.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13261371053113519712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-68760516252021836102011-10-16T08:53:04.832-04:002011-10-16T08:53:04.832-04:00With respect to those who sincerely tried to answe...With respect to those who sincerely tried to answer the question in the title, I think that's the wrong way to go about answering the question. <br /><br />I usually describe myself as Jewish and white. Melanie Kaye/Kantrowitz says we should think of all Jews as people of color because it leads to greater solidarity. Both of us think recognizing white privilege is important. <br /><br />But often the question, "Are Jews a Race?" is about something else. It's about whether antisemitism is as much of a problem as racism. About whether people concerned with racism should be concerned with antisemitism. <br /><br />I'm afraid to say, antisemitism is just not on the radar for the vast majority of anti-racist activists, usually because ignorance about the nature of antisemitism means they can't see it all around them. Sometimes people notice that antisemitism isn't being talked about among anti-racists (except in the most token ways), and they wonder if that's right. Or, just as often, they're looking for a way to justify that exclusion. They want a reason to not give Jews the same sort of sensitive responses they would give "real" (it's a persistent stereotype that Jews aren't real or authentic) people of color. When Jews are pit against other minorities and oppressed groups (this is a common feature of antisemitism), Leftists can actually get downright ugly. <br /><br />This is a time when many Jews are as anxious about antisemitism as we've been in many decades. Instead of trying to understand why, a lot of people are trying to explain it by finding fault with Jews.<br /><br />When "Are Jews a race?" becomes about whether antisemitism is important, then it's a deeply flawed question. It's like asking "Are gays a race?" The real question is "Are Jews still oppressed?" The answer to that is emphatically, YES.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05146833770654841724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-2570736300063447352011-10-11T15:29:24.467-04:002011-10-11T15:29:24.467-04:00Hi, this is my first time commenting here.
As a W...Hi, this is my first time commenting here.<br /><br />As a White-Jewish person contemplating the future of my relationship with a Black woman -- marriage, kids, etc -- I have already made the distinction that Jews ARE NOT a race. Why? Because what does that make Black-Jews? Mixed-race? Multi-racial? Racially Double-down? Judaism is a religion. Jewish heritage is a culture. These things are often inherited, but they are not genetically reproduced -- no matter what the Orthodox may say -- via "Jewish" genes passed down since the Diaspora.<br /><br />My mixed-race kids will be Jewish because they are raised Jewish, taught Jewish history, and complete their Bar/Bat'Mitzvah. They will be Jews because they have been enculturated as such, and if they so choose they will be able to carry on that tradition. <br /><br />Meanwhile, I see myself as White AND Jewish, because no matter my personal history of dealing with overt acts of anti-Semitism, or even subtle ones, I still possess White privilege. And it is this personal realization which began my discovery that being Jewish -- at least in America -- is not a race. It is not equivalent to being Black.<br /><br />It is close! It is close in much the same way that so many Muslims are experiencing in America. But to make that a firm comparison, or equivalency is to ignore the very real attempts by Jews (and maybe some Muslims?) to cling to their White privilege, to engage in secularization to the point that they actively pretend that they are not Jewish. And to subsequently participate in White supremacy, and racism.<br /><br />Fitting in is difficult in America. The intersectionality of identity is multifaceted, often contradictory, but it also affords us the unique space to create a personal sense of Who We Are, even as others attempt to homogenize us, juxtapose us, and place us into Neat Little Ticky Tack boxes for their convenience.<br /><br />Yet I cannot do these things. Because I know that being, which by that I mean my/your/our Being isn't something simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-69932511976277986172011-09-21T13:28:04.466-04:002011-09-21T13:28:04.466-04:00hey jen, Could we cross-post this to LIE? It's...hey jen, Could we cross-post this to LIE? It's a great one....<br /><br />Thanks,<br />julia<br />(team@loveisntenough.com)<br /><br />p.s. Hooray for your honeymoon! I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02945385659698659077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-984837196433757302011-09-16T01:09:52.664-04:002011-09-16T01:09:52.664-04:00To hazard and answer to the question: I think the ...To hazard and answer to the question: I think the Jewish people represent not only a religion, but also a distinct culture replete with distinct language, history, and physical characteristics. These items combined, in my view, would set them apart as a race.<br /><br />Regarding the issue of prejudice, I would argue that our culture does not suffer from social amnesia; but rather in this very politically correct culture we have developed a spirit of plausible deniability that we use to distance ourselves from the very sensitive issues which require accountability. For example, younger "white" people who don't know or understand enough about the civil rights movenment or slavery to know that mocking it in some way is wrong and hurtful. But when confronted, they reply, "I didn't know" or "I didn't do it" or "It wasn't me that did it." <br /><br />When I have the chance, I like to remind BOTH parties involved that the height of the civil rights movement was only 42 years ago. And ideas don't die nearly as fast as people do. It all takes time, patience and forgiveness and determination to kill an idea. <br /><br />The saddest part is that human kind, or the human race, will undoubtedly find new ways to segregate and classify themselves because of our innate insecurities. If we do manage to root out racism, is there another ism that we should be prepared to combat?<br /><br />How shall we best treat the real human condition? And how do we get this treatment to the people who need it most...us?Mixed/Otherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01181174620409271498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-87101377503892661172011-09-14T23:25:09.011-04:002011-09-14T23:25:09.011-04:00I'm sure Sarah's Key is as moving as you s...I'm sure Sarah's Key is as moving as you say and has an important place, but I really wish people would talk more about the Evian conference, the St. Louis and the SS Struma.<br /><br />And I wish people talked about how Jews had achieved near equality in Germany in terms of wealth, so that many turned toward careers, like professor, that offered more prestige than wealth. I wish people knew how marginalized overt Judenhass was and how much Jews were a part of the cultural scene in Berlin.<br /><br />Because I really get the feeling that a lot of people misunderstand what it was that wasn't that long ago and misunderstand the ways in which things have and haven't changed for Jews. I think this is why it seems so much like the ancient past to so many people and why a lot of people have trouble understanding when whiteness isn't the only or most relevant thing.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05146833770654841724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-44240476916595243602011-09-11T21:51:40.723-04:002011-09-11T21:51:40.723-04:00I grapple with this question often. Growing up, I ...I grapple with this question often. Growing up, I was indignant to learn that the general public would consistently categorize one part of me as "just white" when I would take great care to specify that <i>I'm not like that at all</i> - I'm part Ashkenazi Jew, dammit.<br /><br />But the fact remains that I <i>am</i> afforded social and institutional privileges because those same people, at least in the context of the U.S., are taught to read my phenotype in that regard, no matter how reductive or imagined it is.<br /><br />I didn't realize how much I had internalized this view of "Jewish = white" until I traveled to Israel recently. Frankly, I was expecting to encounter people who looked like one side of my family, but was surprised and happy to find myself around lots of Mizrahim, Felasha, Sudanese, Thai, Chinese, etc. <br /><br />Of course, I'm glossing over the ethnic and cultural tensions underscoring the body politic of Israel, but my larger point is that the face of the Jewish people is no more monochromatic than, for example, that of Latinos or Asians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-7473464523194694682011-09-07T09:26:21.923-04:002011-09-07T09:26:21.923-04:00lovepeaceohana, I understand being protective of y...lovepeaceohana, I understand being protective of your children. I'm a mother, too, of interracial twins. They are grown now. I felt compelled to speak out. Just like the parents who sent their children to the school protected by armed guards because they dreamed that integration would equalize the races. Or the children of illegal immigrants who are protesting in Charlotte, NC. They've lived almost their whole lives in America -- they didn't choose to come here. They were small children. They are American for all intents and purposes, but they do not have access to education and jobs. Their protests may get them deported to a country they don't even remember. They don't do it just for themselves, they do it for those who come after them.<br /><br />One other thing I thought about as a mother. I believed I needed to advocate for all the children at my daughters' school, especially those children whose parents could not advocate for them because of language barriers, no ability to get to the school, fear of authority figures, whatever the reason. I knew my children had good advocates in their parents and I knew advocating for others would make a better world for my children. I got in trouble with the all white, middle class PTA officers over an article I wrote in the school newsletter that I edited. Then the police called me because I talked about the way the officer on duty had let white parents walk into the school but stopped my husband. Long story, but despite the fear I felt, I knew I had to speak up and when confronted I did not back down.Diannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00367333776511320196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-18415341365155659502011-09-07T02:21:09.564-04:002011-09-07T02:21:09.564-04:00Hi Professor!
I am wondering if you had any good ...Hi Professor!<br /><br />I am wondering if you had any good links to discussion about mixed heritage peoples who are not "half and half".<br /><br />As the son of a half Chinese half Salvadoran father and a Chinese mother, and as a person who looks Asian according to the social stereotypes, I've always wondered about self-identification. When is the amount too little? I would decree it a personal freedom to self-identify as anything one wants to identify as, but .. I'm just a confused person.Richard Quanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15684067859310763924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-23892341575277727282011-09-07T01:50:26.683-04:002011-09-07T01:50:26.683-04:00I think we all want to believe that we'd be br...<i>I think we all want to believe that we'd be brave--we'd stand up and speak truth to power--that we would risk our lives for our beliefs. But I don't know.</i><br /><br />Truth, here. My answer would have been very different four years ago, but I didn't have children then - and I fully anticipate that it will change again, as they grow older and more capable of caring for themselves, more capable of choosing their own path through the struggle. That doesn't mean that I need to sit out all activism; I'm certainly doing my best to raise them with an awareness of social justice and ways to redress oppression! But it does mean that, at this stage, I don't think I could risk my life for unknown others. Maybe someday my children will think me a coward for that - but as long as I'm around to hear it, I hope I'll consider it a blessing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1658138279766595241.post-89163111155990374312011-09-06T11:28:55.609-04:002011-09-06T11:28:55.609-04:00There is a social amnesia about racism that is dif...There is a social amnesia about racism that is difficult to change. Even present day racism is somehow diminished or assigned to an individual, oftentimes, while others protest that they are not racist and don't support racism. Post-racialism is a faraway ideal -- being our best selves and thinking the same of others until an individual gives us pause to think otherwise due to behavior and not race, gender, socio-economic status or ethnicity. The history of mankind is littered with prejudice, oppression and violence, and I suppose in some ways forgetting, not becoming involved, and thinking of oneself as different from the masses, makes it all the more palatable. Keep up the good fight through teaching and writing. I'm trying to do the same by writing about my experiences.Diannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00367333776511320196noreply@blogger.com